1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:10,400 [Music] 2 00:00:14,390 --> 00:00:12,230 the title obviously is questioning the 3 00:00:15,830 --> 00:00:14,400 place of subjective States and conscious 4 00:00:18,590 --> 00:00:15,840 awareness and anomalous healing the 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:18,600 operative word here is questioning I'm 6 00:00:22,850 --> 00:00:20,010 not going to come to any firm 7 00:00:26,470 --> 00:00:22,860 conclusions here I'm going to just 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:26,480 question in my healing research how much 9 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:29,250 subjective states really matter and I 10 00:00:35,630 --> 00:00:31,110 understand that a lot of this is going 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:35,640 to be a little bit heretic --all so I'm 12 00:00:41,420 --> 00:00:38,850 gonna give you the plot and a number of 13 00:00:42,889 --> 00:00:41,430 you are familiar with my plot I've been 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:42,899 doing healing work for a bunch of 15 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:45,690 decades and I'm gonna focus here on just 16 00:00:51,110 --> 00:00:48,510 a selected part some of which many of 17 00:00:53,330 --> 00:00:51,120 you have seen before some cancer cures I 18 00:00:55,819 --> 00:00:53,340 can do this very quickly and then I'm 19 00:00:57,950 --> 00:00:55,829 gonna focus on the problem and the 20 00:01:00,950 --> 00:00:57,960 problem will be this do you have to be 21 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:00,960 in a particular state of mind to produce 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:03,690 healing do you have to know that you're 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:07,250 healing so out there in healing land 24 00:01:11,389 --> 00:01:09,570 there are people who say well you need 25 00:01:12,889 --> 00:01:11,399 to be spiritual you need to be in this 26 00:01:14,420 --> 00:01:12,899 altered state you need to be in that 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:14,430 altered state you need you need you need 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:17,130 and I'm going to question that and 29 00:01:22,510 --> 00:01:19,290 wonder whether or not healing is 30 00:01:26,350 --> 00:01:22,520 actually an autonomic process and 31 00:01:30,230 --> 00:01:26,360 probably a number you'll get mad at me 32 00:01:32,179 --> 00:01:30,240 so the plot a number of you have again 33 00:01:34,630 --> 00:01:32,189 have seen this I've worked with a number 34 00:01:37,219 --> 00:01:34,640 of types of cancer in this particular 35 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:37,229 series of experiments I've done eight of 36 00:01:40,910 --> 00:01:39,360 these we're dealing with a mammary 37 00:01:43,370 --> 00:01:40,920 cancer we're doing this in a mouse model 38 00:01:46,730 --> 00:01:43,380 and the really the only thing that you 39 00:01:49,130 --> 00:01:46,740 need to focus on is as York said 40 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:49,140 yesterday we know with 100% certainty 41 00:01:52,370 --> 00:01:50,729 that after injection with this 42 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:52,380 particular form of cancer the mice will 43 00:01:58,219 --> 00:01:54,960 be dead within 27 days and this has 44 00:02:00,560 --> 00:01:58,229 happened in 10,000 experiments and so 45 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:00,570 the the this particular type of cancer 46 00:02:06,020 --> 00:02:03,119 is non-metastatic it grows it's easy to 47 00:02:08,630 --> 00:02:06,030 measure etc etc and so this would be the 48 00:02:11,390 --> 00:02:08,640 mouse and you're going to watch your 49 00:02:13,340 --> 00:02:11,400 mouse non-metastatic ly grow and grow 50 00:02:16,250 --> 00:02:13,350 and grow until you have a very ugly 51 00:02:17,870 --> 00:02:16,260 looking thing and the mouse dies either 52 00:02:19,550 --> 00:02:17,880 of having the internal organs being 53 00:02:21,289 --> 00:02:19,560 crushed or malnutrition or some 54 00:02:23,030 --> 00:02:21,299 combination it's not a good way to go 55 00:02:25,399 --> 00:02:23,040 now in Mike's 56 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:25,409 Paramount's I never worked with healers 57 00:02:29,330 --> 00:02:27,329 that sounds odd because I'm doing a 58 00:02:31,490 --> 00:02:29,340 healing experiment I don't work with 59 00:02:34,069 --> 00:02:31,500 healers I don't take you know people who 60 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:34,079 this is their day job and all that the 61 00:02:36,740 --> 00:02:36,209 criteria I use it it's really quite 62 00:02:39,710 --> 00:02:36,750 simple 63 00:02:45,380 --> 00:02:39,720 the only people I use are very very very 64 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:45,390 good looking people and I found I think 65 00:02:50,449 --> 00:02:47,489 with with fair degree a certainty that 66 00:02:52,069 --> 00:02:50,459 ugly people can't heal and beautiful 67 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:52,079 people don't need to know any healing 68 00:02:55,670 --> 00:02:54,329 techniques so if you take really good 69 00:03:00,800 --> 00:02:55,680 looking people and they put their hands 70 00:03:03,259 --> 00:03:00,810 around a cage weird stuff happens the 71 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:03,269 tumor grows which I didn't expect the 72 00:03:08,539 --> 00:03:05,489 tumor gets a blackened area the tumor 73 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:08,549 ulcerates the tumor implodes and the 74 00:03:13,550 --> 00:03:11,730 mice live their normal lifespan this is 75 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:13,560 in a model with previously a hundred 76 00:03:19,399 --> 00:03:15,930 percent fatality so it's pretty 77 00:03:22,750 --> 00:03:19,409 interesting so this is an example of 78 00:03:25,909 --> 00:03:22,760 what happens if you do these treatments 79 00:03:27,890 --> 00:03:25,919 tumor grows it's hard to see where you 80 00:03:31,789 --> 00:03:27,900 are but the tumor is actually developing 81 00:03:34,729 --> 00:03:31,799 a blackened area it develops a slit it 82 00:03:36,409 --> 00:03:34,739 develops an ulceration and we thought 83 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:36,419 when this was originally happening that 84 00:03:39,619 --> 00:03:37,889 we thought something was going wrong but 85 00:03:41,780 --> 00:03:39,629 it turns out this is this is a good 86 00:03:44,059 --> 00:03:41,790 thing and if we saw a subsequent slides 87 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:44,069 you would see this thing implode into 88 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:47,310 itself the mice are cured and I say 89 00:03:51,559 --> 00:03:48,690 cured because they're cured for life 90 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:51,569 they they're immune to re-inject shion's 91 00:03:55,789 --> 00:03:53,729 of the cancer we can take parts of the 92 00:03:58,699 --> 00:03:55,799 tumor implanted into a fully infected 93 00:04:02,719 --> 00:03:58,709 Mouse and it'll cure that Mouse so it's 94 00:04:04,490 --> 00:04:02,729 pretty interesting also do this with 95 00:04:06,860 --> 00:04:04,500 different types we've done a couple of 96 00:04:09,619 --> 00:04:06,870 experiments using sarcomas these are not 97 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:09,629 quite as aggressive they have 100% death 98 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:11,010 but it takes a little bit longer for 99 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:13,169 them to die 100 00:04:19,430 --> 00:04:16,680 this too is non-metastatic so you simply 101 00:04:21,499 --> 00:04:19,440 have a growth the growth of growth if we 102 00:04:24,230 --> 00:04:21,509 do the hands around the cage kind of a 103 00:04:26,629 --> 00:04:24,240 thing we get a couple things happen 104 00:04:28,820 --> 00:04:26,639 sometimes the tumor develops there's a 105 00:04:33,290 --> 00:04:28,830 similar type of ulceration the mouse 106 00:04:36,770 --> 00:04:33,300 joins the army becomes a sergeant other 107 00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:36,780 times the the tumor simply collapses 108 00:04:42,380 --> 00:04:38,880 mice mysteriously grow an era when 109 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:42,390 they're back and so you get more variety 110 00:04:48,850 --> 00:04:45,570 of response in these sarcomas if you put 111 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:48,860 a person in a cage and do this you get 112 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:51,570 complaints but you also have similar 113 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:53,310 things that you can find so this is MRI 114 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:56,010 data of breast cancer and you're looking 115 00:04:59,150 --> 00:04:57,450 at things you don't want to look at and 116 00:05:00,860 --> 00:04:59,160 you're looking at things you want to 117 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:00,870 look at it again there's a natural 118 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:03,330 healing process that goes on in the 119 00:05:06,890 --> 00:05:04,710 breast cancer we can follow this by 120 00:05:08,570 --> 00:05:06,900 thermal imaging we can follow this by 121 00:05:11,020 --> 00:05:08,580 blood tests we can follow this in a 122 00:05:12,950 --> 00:05:11,030 whole variety of ways and so I guess 123 00:05:15,410 --> 00:05:12,960 essentially I'm saying that works with 124 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:15,420 mice with men with we've done this in 125 00:05:19,730 --> 00:05:18,120 cancer labs on you name it there's some 126 00:05:22,820 --> 00:05:19,740 pretty interesting findings it seems 127 00:05:24,980 --> 00:05:22,830 that the rate of remission is inversely 128 00:05:27,380 --> 00:05:24,990 related to mass and there's a number of 129 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:27,390 other things I could go into but not 130 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:27,930 today 131 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:30,330 and so given a whole bunch of 132 00:05:35,810 --> 00:05:32,730 experiments and and this is essentially 133 00:05:37,250 --> 00:05:35,820 a summation of what I led up to in a 134 00:05:40,370 --> 00:05:37,260 talk at the University of Virginia I 135 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:40,380 have seven propositions in decreasing 136 00:05:45,590 --> 00:05:43,650 order of certainty and so I go to the 137 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:45,600 first one and this is a no-brainer 138 00:05:50,810 --> 00:05:47,970 at this point experimentally there's 139 00:05:52,910 --> 00:05:50,820 really not any ambiguity to it cancer 140 00:05:54,860 --> 00:05:52,920 can be cured using energy healing I'm 141 00:05:57,290 --> 00:05:54,870 reasonably certain two ones cured it's 142 00:05:58,730 --> 00:05:57,300 cured for life a little less certain 143 00:06:00,620 --> 00:05:58,740 there's a dose response the more 144 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:00,630 aggressive the cancer the easier it is 145 00:06:06,170 --> 00:06:03,510 and the faster it is to fix I'm less 146 00:06:09,260 --> 00:06:06,180 certain healing occurs in bursts and the 147 00:06:12,020 --> 00:06:09,270 thing I'm least sure of is that healing 148 00:06:13,790 --> 00:06:12,030 can be taught and it turns out there's a 149 00:06:15,530 --> 00:06:13,800 pretty methodologically complex problem 150 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:15,540 to solve and I've actually had people 151 00:06:18,710 --> 00:06:17,430 yelling and screaming at me because they 152 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:18,720 say you know you're an idiot of course 153 00:06:22,430 --> 00:06:21,090 it can be taught I was taught now a heal 154 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:22,440 you know all that kind of stuff but it 155 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:24,930 turns out there really are no good pre 156 00:06:29,630 --> 00:06:27,570 post experiments to see whether the 157 00:06:33,140 --> 00:06:29,640 stuff that you learned helped you to 158 00:06:34,790 --> 00:06:33,150 heal so maybe you start you could heal 159 00:06:37,370 --> 00:06:34,800 anyway I'm on the only one dumb enough 160 00:06:38,750 --> 00:06:37,380 to try it and then you you learn X Y & Z 161 00:06:39,770 --> 00:06:38,760 technique and it turns out you know 162 00:06:42,290 --> 00:06:39,780 better than you you would have been 163 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:42,300 anyway so I think it's a separate but 164 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:44,490 interesting question do specific healing 165 00:06:48,590 --> 00:06:46,890 techniques produce specific results you 166 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:48,600 know think things along those lines so 167 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:50,910 here's here's my property 168 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:52,770 missions in decreasing order of 169 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:56,490 certainty that that I've come to you 170 00:07:00,080 --> 00:06:58,530 know certain conclusions in in all of 171 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:00,090 the research I've done and I've done 172 00:07:04,340 --> 00:07:02,370 I've done quite a bit and now what I'm 173 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:04,350 trying to do is superimpose on to this 174 00:07:09,650 --> 00:07:06,570 the question of what's the place of 175 00:07:12,620 --> 00:07:09,660 subjective states do subjective States 176 00:07:14,030 --> 00:07:12,630 matter and would I be sure subjective 177 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:14,040 states matter or I could be sure of 178 00:07:19,010 --> 00:07:16,770 subjective states don't matter down to I 179 00:07:21,380 --> 00:07:19,020 don't know you know that kind of thing 180 00:07:23,570 --> 00:07:21,390 so I'm kind of adding the eighth factor 181 00:07:25,190 --> 00:07:23,580 that's that's the point of this talk do 182 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:25,200 subjective states matter do you have to 183 00:07:29,890 --> 00:07:26,550 be spiritual you have to be in a 184 00:07:32,810 --> 00:07:29,900 particular state of mind things along 185 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:32,820 those lines so what are the states of 186 00:07:36,530 --> 00:07:34,530 consciousness during healing sessions 187 00:07:38,150 --> 00:07:36,540 can it be objectively measured what are 188 00:07:40,940 --> 00:07:38,160 the subjective self reports of the 189 00:07:42,860 --> 00:07:40,950 volunteer healers I use I've used 190 00:07:44,810 --> 00:07:42,870 faculty members I've used student 191 00:07:46,730 --> 00:07:44,820 volunteers I've used a bunch of people 192 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:46,740 the only criterion this is actually a 193 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:48,690 limiting factor to all my experiments is 194 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:50,850 all of them are non-believers with no 195 00:07:55,370 --> 00:07:53,370 experience so I don't know what a 196 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:55,380 believers can heal I don't know what 197 00:07:58,850 --> 00:07:56,820 experience people can heal 198 00:08:01,490 --> 00:07:58,860 I know non experienced non-believers 199 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:01,500 don't have a problem with it but I so 200 00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:03,090 now I'm trying to place within that what 201 00:08:09,380 --> 00:08:05,070 is the importance of subjective states 202 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:09,390 of consciousness now I want to put this 203 00:08:16,550 --> 00:08:12,570 in to two ways one healing with 204 00:08:18,140 --> 00:08:16,560 conscious intent what happens and what 205 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:18,150 can we measure and then I'm gonna 206 00:08:22,070 --> 00:08:19,890 broaden this to say what happens if you 207 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:22,080 don't know what's going on and this is 208 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:23,130 where it becomes a little bit more 209 00:08:27,530 --> 00:08:25,410 interesting a little more dicey so the 210 00:08:29,150 --> 00:08:27,540 first one bonding between human subjects 211 00:08:32,150 --> 00:08:29,160 and I'm putting that under conscious 212 00:08:36,770 --> 00:08:32,160 intent some of you have may have read 213 00:08:38,390 --> 00:08:36,780 the winter 2010 version of JSC this was 214 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:38,400 done with Luke Hendrickson jaegun 215 00:08:43,580 --> 00:08:40,370 Clement Luke's out here someplace 216 00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:43,590 and and so we're hoping to continue this 217 00:08:48,710 --> 00:08:46,320 EEG kind of data and so what we're 218 00:08:51,020 --> 00:08:48,720 looking at is consciously can someone 219 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:51,030 consciously thinking of another person 220 00:08:55,460 --> 00:08:53,130 what happens can we measure something 221 00:08:58,250 --> 00:08:55,470 between the people trying to consciously 222 00:08:59,750 --> 00:08:58,260 link and for those who read or didn't 223 00:09:04,030 --> 00:08:59,760 read we we got some pretty interesting 224 00:09:08,170 --> 00:09:04,040 data we found intra brain harmonic 225 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:08,180 and Inter brain phase-locking it's 226 00:09:13,150 --> 00:09:09,920 pretty interesting so it's already 227 00:09:15,129 --> 00:09:13,160 published it's out in JSC you know I'm 228 00:09:16,900 --> 00:09:15,139 not gonna focus on this and we did a 229 00:09:20,139 --> 00:09:16,910 variety of pretty interesting kinds of 230 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:20,149 analysis I've also done a whole bunch 231 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:22,310 these are not published of functional 232 00:09:27,790 --> 00:09:24,910 MRI data and now we're talking about 233 00:09:29,650 --> 00:09:27,800 consciously trying to link with another 234 00:09:31,809 --> 00:09:29,660 person unfortunately it's only using one 235 00:09:34,210 --> 00:09:31,819 MRI I want to do with synchronized MRIs 236 00:09:36,370 --> 00:09:34,220 but we're talking about in this 237 00:09:38,470 --> 00:09:36,380 particular these sets of slides it's me 238 00:09:40,990 --> 00:09:38,480 as the volunteer so I'm into the 239 00:09:43,930 --> 00:09:41,000 volunteer sitting in an MRI lying in an 240 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:43,940 MRI and there is a person out there and 241 00:09:49,150 --> 00:09:46,490 I'm trying to think in on/off modes in 242 00:09:51,249 --> 00:09:49,160 an ugly noisy environment can you 243 00:09:55,449 --> 00:09:51,259 produce something that has any 244 00:09:56,889 --> 00:09:55,459 reliability this is me in a control you 245 00:09:58,960 --> 00:09:56,899 can see absolutely nothing happens in my 246 00:10:01,540 --> 00:09:58,970 brain it's it's actually pretty 247 00:10:07,139 --> 00:10:01,550 interesting you you you you can look in 248 00:10:13,540 --> 00:10:09,550 however if you start to think about 249 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:13,550 healing in on/off mode you get pretty 250 00:10:19,269 --> 00:10:15,529 interesting and pretty reliable on/off 251 00:10:22,990 --> 00:10:19,279 states you get pretty interesting and 252 00:10:24,670 --> 00:10:23,000 pretty reliable on/off States you get 253 00:10:26,290 --> 00:10:24,680 pretty interesting and pretty reliable 254 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:26,300 on/off states there's gonna be a theme 255 00:10:31,540 --> 00:10:29,120 here you get pretty interesting and 256 00:10:33,990 --> 00:10:31,550 pretty reliable on/off States and and so 257 00:10:36,550 --> 00:10:34,000 these are essentially completely 258 00:10:38,860 --> 00:10:36,560 reliable it's up to you deciding whether 259 00:10:40,629 --> 00:10:38,870 it's interesting and some of the effect 260 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:40,639 sizes are pretty strong those who you do 261 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:42,889 MRI data you're probably not used to 262 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:45,410 seeing 25 percent changes in signal 263 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:48,050 strength this is pretty strong stuff and 264 00:10:52,750 --> 00:10:51,290 it's 100% reliable now here comes the 265 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:52,760 interesting part I mean some of this was 266 00:10:57,970 --> 00:10:54,560 also interesting but here comes some 267 00:11:02,139 --> 00:10:57,980 really interesting parts what happens if 268 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:02,149 you're not conscious about what's going 269 00:11:11,439 --> 00:11:07,610 on so here's the experiment we did and 270 00:11:15,819 --> 00:11:11,449 this is a pilot again I'm the volunteer 271 00:11:17,290 --> 00:11:15,829 I'm lying in an MRI so you imagine I'm 272 00:11:17,740 --> 00:11:17,300 lining up my rights and enclose them 273 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:17,750 around 274 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:20,690 thing sticking out is my left hand into 275 00:11:29,530 --> 00:11:24,130 my left hand in on/off kind of mode 276 00:11:31,270 --> 00:11:29,540 double blind or dropped envelopes some 277 00:11:33,910 --> 00:11:31,280 of the envelopes have index cards in 278 00:11:37,330 --> 00:11:33,920 them which are blank some of the 279 00:11:39,220 --> 00:11:37,340 envelopes have index cards in em or have 280 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:39,230 instead of the index card have a picture 281 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:41,710 of a cancerous animal 600 miles away 282 00:11:46,750 --> 00:11:44,690 with also a hair sample of that animal 283 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:46,760 so we take a couple of snippets we got 284 00:11:49,420 --> 00:11:48,530 these from a veterinarian in another 285 00:11:52,030 --> 00:11:49,430 state doesn't matter 286 00:11:53,710 --> 00:11:52,040 and so the snippets of hair samples and 287 00:11:55,420 --> 00:11:53,720 pictures are from them they're all 288 00:11:57,340 --> 00:11:55,430 double blinded so I'm lining in this 289 00:11:59,620 --> 00:11:57,350 ugly MRI and I'm just kind of hanging 290 00:12:02,050 --> 00:11:59,630 out thinking you know why am I here 291 00:12:03,850 --> 00:12:02,060 what's going on and and you can feel of 292 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:03,860 course when an envelope hits your hand 293 00:12:08,230 --> 00:12:06,470 and if something happens and hits your 294 00:12:13,390 --> 00:12:08,240 hand there's going to be a response in 295 00:12:15,550 --> 00:12:13,400 the brain so my conscious state is lying 296 00:12:16,810 --> 00:12:15,560 in an MRI thinking sooner or later 297 00:12:18,850 --> 00:12:16,820 somebody's gonna be putting something 298 00:12:19,540 --> 00:12:18,860 into my hand that's about the extent of 299 00:12:21,490 --> 00:12:19,550 my awareness 300 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:21,500 I feel something going to my hand then 301 00:12:24,370 --> 00:12:22,850 they take something away from my hand 302 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:24,380 then they put something into my hand and 303 00:12:27,820 --> 00:12:25,580 they take something away from my hand 304 00:12:34,740 --> 00:12:27,830 and this goes on for quite awhile I've 305 00:12:42,070 --> 00:12:37,480 my protons are a little spun but I'm 306 00:12:44,170 --> 00:12:42,080 fine so I'm there and I have no 307 00:12:49,050 --> 00:12:44,180 conscious awareness other than a tactile 308 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:52,720 here's the interesting part the images 309 00:12:58,060 --> 00:12:55,610 are the same but the images of the same 310 00:13:03,640 --> 00:12:58,070 as you just saw only when there's an 311 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:03,650 active envelope so if something hits the 312 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:06,050 hand and it's just the tactile sense the 313 00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:07,370 brain goes something just touched your 314 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:09,920 hand if there's a picture of a hair 315 00:13:15,490 --> 00:13:13,280 sample a picture and a hair sample of a 316 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:15,500 cancerous animals hundreds of miles away 317 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:21,440 my brain goes on and I could throw in a 318 00:13:25,210 --> 00:13:23,450 kicker but I won't if I did I'd say the 319 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:25,220 animals also got cured but I won't 320 00:13:32,019 --> 00:13:29,450 mention that and so my brain knows the 321 00:13:34,340 --> 00:13:32,029 difference I don't 322 00:13:36,859 --> 00:13:34,350 and this is the distinction I'm trying 323 00:13:38,269 --> 00:13:36,869 to make I don't know I'm feeling and 324 00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:38,279 they're not feeling and I'm feeling and 325 00:13:44,239 --> 00:13:39,629 they're not feeling and feeling and not 326 00:13:46,819 --> 00:13:44,249 feeling that's all I know I can't if you 327 00:13:48,739 --> 00:13:46,829 asked me sigh hitting you know kind of a 328 00:13:50,419 --> 00:13:48,749 thing I would completely crap out I'm 329 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:50,429 sure you know I would be completely a 330 00:13:57,650 --> 00:13:53,970 chance but my brain and this is to 100% 331 00:13:59,859 --> 00:13:57,660 reliability switches on when there's a 332 00:14:03,919 --> 00:13:59,869 need I don't know how to phrase this 333 00:14:07,790 --> 00:14:03,929 requested when a need is present the 334 00:14:09,769 --> 00:14:07,800 brain turns into healing mode and we get 335 00:14:13,939 --> 00:14:09,779 the same images as if I'm sitting in the 336 00:14:15,379 --> 00:14:13,949 MRI trying to go intend to heal stopped 337 00:14:16,910 --> 00:14:15,389 intending the hill which is really a 338 00:14:19,780 --> 00:14:16,920 weird thing to do in the first place 339 00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:19,790 intend to heal stopped intending to heal 340 00:14:26,419 --> 00:14:23,360 that's pretty interesting so this is a 341 00:14:28,249 --> 00:14:26,429 double-blinded a procedure and there's 342 00:14:30,139 --> 00:14:28,259 no conscious awareness or the difference 343 00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:30,149 between the envelopes again I'm quite 344 00:14:36,019 --> 00:14:34,079 confident I would flunk a sight test now 345 00:14:39,259 --> 00:14:36,029 a couple things and we'll come back to 346 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:39,269 more complications so additional 347 00:14:43,429 --> 00:14:41,610 selected facts from these experiments 348 00:14:45,169 --> 00:14:43,439 cancer certainly can be cured by 349 00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:45,179 inexperienced healer I'm not ealer 350 00:14:49,970 --> 00:14:48,480 belief doesn't seem to matter a sense of 351 00:14:53,119 --> 00:14:49,980 spirituality doesn't appear to be 352 00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:53,129 necessary so in all my volunteers who 353 00:14:56,540 --> 00:14:54,959 are again faculty and students the only 354 00:14:57,829 --> 00:14:56,550 criteria to get into my experiments is 355 00:15:00,679 --> 00:14:57,839 that you have to laugh in my face what I 356 00:15:03,079 --> 00:15:00,689 tell you what you're going to do there's 357 00:15:05,389 --> 00:15:03,089 a wide range they all none of them 358 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:05,399 believe in healing but some of them say 359 00:15:13,090 --> 00:15:07,490 during the course of their healing 360 00:15:17,319 --> 00:15:13,100 procedures I felt a connection 361 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:17,329 some of them say I felt no connection 362 00:15:24,460 --> 00:15:19,290 some of them don't know how to spell 363 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:28,249 and so I've asked who are they where do 364 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:29,850 they come from what they feel all this 365 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:31,889 and it's just there's no I can't find a 366 00:15:36,259 --> 00:15:34,529 pattern I can't find a pattern in their 367 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:36,269 subjective experience I can't find a 368 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:37,529 pattern and the things they believe I 369 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:39,870 can I can't find any pattern at all and 370 00:15:43,970 --> 00:15:41,730 so I'm wondering what is the pattern 371 00:15:45,260 --> 00:15:43,980 necessary to produce this or maybe we're 372 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:45,270 even asking the wrong question 373 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:47,730 maybe these questions of subjective 374 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:50,250 sense or being there or whatever I call 375 00:15:57,139 --> 00:15:52,050 it maybe we're asking the wrong question 376 00:15:58,670 --> 00:15:57,149 and the rate and speed of remission 377 00:16:00,380 --> 00:15:58,680 doesn't seem to be related to a 378 00:16:05,750 --> 00:16:00,390 subjective sense of spiritual connection 379 00:16:08,990 --> 00:16:05,760 I think that's interesting but there's 380 00:16:11,900 --> 00:16:09,000 always a but I think Dean had the record 381 00:16:16,250 --> 00:16:11,910 for the most buts in that the end line 382 00:16:18,620 --> 00:16:16,260 yeah there's always a but there's there 383 00:16:20,810 --> 00:16:18,630 is in my experiments a problem of resin 384 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:20,820 and bonding which can produce type 2 385 00:16:26,030 --> 00:16:24,570 errors and by resin and bonding I don't 386 00:16:28,250 --> 00:16:26,040 like this word and I approach didn't 387 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:28,260 even have it up there in my healing 388 00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:32,250 experiments we have difficulty in these 389 00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:34,399 models that have a hundred percent death 390 00:16:41,210 --> 00:16:39,360 getting the controls to die and it turns 391 00:16:43,220 --> 00:16:41,220 out really simplifying this you can read 392 00:16:45,139 --> 00:16:43,230 it in a bunch of my papers but it turns 393 00:16:48,380 --> 00:16:45,149 out that if somebody who knows these 394 00:16:52,699 --> 00:16:48,390 healing techniques becomes even aware of 395 00:16:54,740 --> 00:16:52,709 the controls they remit they can be 396 00:16:56,210 --> 00:16:54,750 dying along until they become exposed to 397 00:16:57,290 --> 00:16:56,220 the controls and then the controls go 398 00:16:58,970 --> 00:16:57,300 through their emission process and 399 00:17:00,920 --> 00:16:58,980 that's pretty interesting and it doesn't 400 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:00,930 even happen in a morphogenetic field 401 00:17:06,049 --> 00:17:03,930 effect it goes selectively from cage to 402 00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:06,059 cage it skips cages it depends which one 403 00:17:09,620 --> 00:17:07,620 you don't even have to know that which 404 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:09,630 controls or that the controls exist 405 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:11,910 there can be extra control mice and 406 00:17:15,949 --> 00:17:13,890 extra control rooms and extra control 407 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:15,959 cages they were meant to it's really 408 00:17:22,730 --> 00:17:21,209 annoying and so a treatment given to an 409 00:17:25,579 --> 00:17:22,740 experimental group will also result in a 410 00:17:27,140 --> 00:17:25,589 treatment given to a control group which 411 00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:27,150 makes it difficult to do a dose-response 412 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:30,840 test so I've done experiments with 25 413 00:17:36,460 --> 00:17:34,170 mice it turns out they get cured slower 414 00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:36,470 than if I do an experiment with 75 mice 415 00:17:42,410 --> 00:17:39,600 they make 75 mice there has to be more 416 00:17:45,410 --> 00:17:42,420 treatments the more treatments there are 417 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:45,420 doesn't mean to any particular Mouse the 418 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:47,250 more treatments there are to any mice 419 00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:50,580 the faster the entire group goes through 420 00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:53,040 the remission process that's pretty 421 00:17:56,659 --> 00:17:53,600 interesting 422 00:17:58,130 --> 00:17:56,669 so the larger the number of mice the 423 00:17:59,030 --> 00:17:58,140 faster the mice go through the remission 424 00:18:01,010 --> 00:17:59,040 process 425 00:18:02,780 --> 00:18:01,020 do an experiment with a hundred mice 426 00:18:09,169 --> 00:18:02,790 it'll go faster than if you do an 427 00:18:11,289 --> 00:18:09,179 experiment with 25 months and so this 428 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:11,299 has a whole bunch of methodological 429 00:18:16,159 --> 00:18:14,010 implications to it and you could see 430 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:16,169 from earlier can healing be taught well 431 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:18,210 I don't know here's why I don't know 432 00:18:20,930 --> 00:18:19,650 let's say I'd take the front row of 433 00:18:26,060 --> 00:18:20,940 people here and I give them all the cage 434 00:18:29,299 --> 00:18:26,070 mice if there's this bonding loosely 435 00:18:30,980 --> 00:18:29,309 entanglement between mice do I know and 436 00:18:32,810 --> 00:18:30,990 they're all successful in doing it do I 437 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:32,820 know that each person was able to do it 438 00:18:37,730 --> 00:18:36,360 or did one person do the whole lot could 439 00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:37,740 they have done it before so I got a 440 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:40,640 pre/post problem I got a bonding problem 441 00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:42,840 bonding problems make life really 442 00:18:50,270 --> 00:18:47,520 complicated and so take the take this 443 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:50,280 and make it farther so I've got cage 444 00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:53,130 cage cage cage cage cage you all come 445 00:18:57,230 --> 00:18:54,660 you're part of my experiment all the 446 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:57,240 mice get fixed how I don't have any 447 00:19:00,110 --> 00:18:58,770 spiritual thoughts whatsoever do you 448 00:19:01,340 --> 00:19:00,120 feel a connection yeah I felt a 449 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:01,350 connection do you feel like I didn't 450 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:03,210 feel a connection so I get all these 451 00:19:11,299 --> 00:19:08,790 subjective reports I don't know maybe 452 00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:11,309 the all the cure really came from those 453 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:12,710 who were bonded 454 00:19:17,870 --> 00:19:14,970 maybe the cure really came from those 455 00:19:19,549 --> 00:19:17,880 who were spiritual or let's be heretical 456 00:19:23,030 --> 00:19:19,559 maybe it came homeless from those who 457 00:19:26,299 --> 00:19:23,040 weren't and the answer is empirically of 458 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:26,309 course I don't know because of this 459 00:19:32,210 --> 00:19:29,330 bonding methodological complication and 460 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:32,220 so I asked the question my healing 461 00:19:42,049 --> 00:19:36,890 really be an autonomic response to need 462 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:42,059 think in the tube brain turns on brain 463 00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:44,370 turns off brain turns on brain turns off 464 00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:49,140 I don't do it and a subjective sense of 465 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:53,340 connection follows there's a chicken-egg 466 00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:54,870 process not a chicken egg problem I 467 00:20:04,060 --> 00:19:59,280 solve that one it's a chicken but in 468 00:20:08,030 --> 00:20:06,470 so maybe this objective sense of 469 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:08,040 connection is there but maybe it's a 470 00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:12,090 consequence of autonomic response to 471 00:20:15,450 --> 00:20:12,400 knee 472 00:20:17,730 --> 00:20:15,460 Ede which kicks in healing and then you 473 00:20:19,710 --> 00:20:17,740 feel connected why because you feel 474 00:20:23,850 --> 00:20:19,720 connected why because there needs to be 475 00:20:25,890 --> 00:20:23,860 a connection so we may have to cause the 476 00:20:27,390 --> 00:20:25,900 lauder backwards and of course the whole 477 00:20:29,220 --> 00:20:27,400 thing may be the wrong question but 478 00:20:32,430 --> 00:20:29,230 maybe instead of saying I need to have 479 00:20:34,890 --> 00:20:32,440 this spiritual stuff and then this 480 00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:34,900 happens maybe this happens and the 481 00:20:42,150 --> 00:20:38,830 spiritual stuff is perceived sin sated 482 00:20:45,810 --> 00:20:42,160 to follow I don't know yeah I think 483 00:20:47,940 --> 00:20:45,820 these are worth checking out so where 484 00:20:53,660 --> 00:20:47,950 should we place the importance of 485 00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:53,670 subjective states I'm sure I don't know 486 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:56,110 where do you put subjective States well 487 00:21:01,770 --> 00:20:57,610 in the context of the methodological 488 00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:01,780 bonding problem I'm not sure where to 489 00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:04,390 put it so this is simply a report 490 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:07,720 without a conclusion of things that I'm 491 00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:10,510 trying to figure out now and adding to 492 00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:13,270 it I guess an eighth proposition and 493 00:21:25,650 --> 00:21:15,550 this is going to require a whole lot of 494 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:32,340 [Applause] 495 00:21:36,130 --> 00:21:34,730 we have lots of time for questions and 496 00:21:38,770 --> 00:21:36,140 I'm gonna take advantage of my position 497 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:38,780 of power and ask the first one this idea 498 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:42,890 of need is really interesting and I know 499 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:46,010 there are healing practices where they 500 00:21:51,670 --> 00:21:48,650 don't pray for cure or pray I'll just 501 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:51,680 use that word but that the best thing 502 00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:53,990 happens and just like the mice have a 503 00:21:58,960 --> 00:21:56,480 you know finite life so does a human 504 00:22:00,820 --> 00:21:58,970 body so those mice aren't supposed to 505 00:22:03,910 --> 00:22:00,830 die they are injected with this cancer 506 00:22:06,250 --> 00:22:03,920 yes and so this need for healing because 507 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:06,260 they it's it's unnatural that they have 508 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:07,850 this cancer and so and the fact that 509 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:09,170 when you increase the number and the 510 00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:10,910 need is bigger and the healing happens 511 00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:14,990 faster so what is your opinion about if 512 00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:19,670 that what would happen if this was aimed 513 00:22:24,910 --> 00:22:22,520 at people that weren't necessarily they 514 00:22:27,070 --> 00:22:24,920 didn't have a cancer but that they were 515 00:22:29,170 --> 00:22:27,080 ailing and getting toward nearing death 516 00:22:31,450 --> 00:22:29,180 would it help people it's a wonderful 517 00:22:33,970 --> 00:22:31,460 question and frankly I want to I like to 518 00:22:36,550 --> 00:22:33,980 ask very simple questions and I want to 519 00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:36,560 do a two by two a simple two by two 520 00:22:42,010 --> 00:22:39,350 design and I've talked to Luke about 521 00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:42,020 this I want to do it with EEG stuff I 522 00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:44,630 want to do it with fMRI I want to do it 523 00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:47,140 with but the two by two design would be 524 00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:49,790 people that I have a previous connection 525 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:52,640 with and people I don't have a previous 526 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:55,130 connection with and people who have need 527 00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,610 and people who don't have need and would 528 00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:00,320 there be a difference in this simple 2x2 529 00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:03,620 design in an autonomic response in the 530 00:23:08,170 --> 00:23:06,020 brain would it matter in terms of an 531 00:23:09,970 --> 00:23:08,180 intention trying to bond could we get 532 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:09,980 the phase locking of the brain now 533 00:23:15,580 --> 00:23:12,530 notice even the bias that we have here 534 00:23:16,750 --> 00:23:15,590 so I grant the article you the face 535 00:23:19,150 --> 00:23:16,760 locking the brain is pretty interesting 536 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:19,160 but notice then that we also then have a 537 00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:24,650 brain bias so there's no I don't I can't 538 00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:27,470 claim that although we see the phase 539 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:29,990 locking of the brains that it's when the 540 00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:31,910 phase locking occurs that that's when 541 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:37,430 healing occurs in the previous JSC have 542 00:23:40,930 --> 00:23:39,130 a paper out with Margaret Moga on 543 00:23:42,790 --> 00:23:40,940 geomagnetic micro 544 00:23:45,550 --> 00:23:42,800 sessions and healing and it turns out we 545 00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:45,560 get changes in physical space around but 546 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:47,630 I don't know whether that's when healing 547 00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:49,970 occurs so some anomalous happens and you 548 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:53,600 get weird looking waves and it almost 549 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:55,850 looks like you get reverse entropy from 550 00:24:00,910 --> 00:23:58,730 time to time and so a lot of interesting 551 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:00,920 karlitz but is that when it happens you 552 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:03,770 know does healing happen is it a process 553 00:24:09,820 --> 00:24:09,290 does it burst in here yeah I do I do 554 00:24:17,530 --> 00:24:09,830 that 555 00:24:19,150 --> 00:24:17,540 could ask I do yeah yeah well I mean I I 556 00:24:22,570 --> 00:24:19,160 grant that the higher purpose would be 557 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:22,580 to save the rodents but the the I'd also 558 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:28,010 like to know the mechanism yeah doctor 559 00:24:32,050 --> 00:24:29,900 mention a question about the way in 560 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:32,060 which never use doctor at the SSA that's 561 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:36,050 fine bill where methodologies that your 562 00:24:40,660 --> 00:24:38,690 healers used did you look at the 563 00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:40,670 difference between only thinking about 564 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:43,430 healing or not even thinking at all or 565 00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:45,470 putting your hands around the cage or 566 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:47,150 the mouse in it or putting your hands on 567 00:24:51,580 --> 00:24:48,530 the mouse or near the mouse 568 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:51,590 we've tried take that to mean you're 569 00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:52,910 skeptical about my good looking 570 00:25:00,850 --> 00:24:58,640 hypothesis yeah we've done a variety of 571 00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:00,860 dose response we've tried treating once 572 00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,750 a week three times a week five times a 573 00:25:06,850 --> 00:25:04,640 week five at a time ten at a time we've 574 00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:06,860 done all these permutations but I did 575 00:25:12,430 --> 00:25:09,220 all those permutations before I found 576 00:25:13,690 --> 00:25:12,440 the resin and bonding problem and with 577 00:25:17,290 --> 00:25:13,700 the resonant bonding problem it becomes 578 00:25:18,970 --> 00:25:17,300 ugly so I I have if I'm doing once a 579 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,980 week three times a week five times a 580 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:20,960 week I've tried just treating the water 581 00:25:25,810 --> 00:25:23,450 to mice I've never met they get cured 582 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:25,820 but I don't now know whether it's the 583 00:25:30,790 --> 00:25:28,910 water so at one time I had all these 584 00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:30,800 wonderful conclusions but I was treating 585 00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:32,750 this as a nice simple mechanical 586 00:25:38,260 --> 00:25:35,840 experiment just changing the parameters 587 00:25:39,550 --> 00:25:38,270 to see how the outcome changes but with 588 00:25:41,410 --> 00:25:39,560 the resonant bonding problem it turns 589 00:25:43,780 --> 00:25:41,420 out to be really really complicated so 590 00:25:45,130 --> 00:25:43,790 the short answer is yeah I've tried 591 00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:45,140 these things but I don't know how to 592 00:25:59,760 --> 00:25:53,560 conclude at this point I bill hey dick 593 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:07,690 and it's dr. blinder we go way back I'm 594 00:26:12,790 --> 00:26:10,610 a healer too so I know of where bill 595 00:26:15,070 --> 00:26:12,800 speaks and I know the my C's worked with 596 00:26:18,490 --> 00:26:15,080 I use them extensively in many 597 00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,500 experiments I have a couple problems 598 00:26:27,090 --> 00:26:20,240 with your presentation 599 00:26:29,860 --> 00:26:27,100 not many well a couple will start okay I 600 00:26:31,930 --> 00:26:29,870 think that there is quite a bit of 601 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:31,940 confusion about the concept of energy 602 00:26:39,580 --> 00:26:36,170 healing and resonant bonding I too 603 00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:39,590 thought that this was an energy that one 604 00:26:45,460 --> 00:26:42,830 is transmitting from oneself to whomever 605 00:26:47,620 --> 00:26:45,470 I was working with or whatever animals I 606 00:26:52,180 --> 00:26:47,630 was working with but when you begin to 607 00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:52,190 get into excuse me non-local healing 608 00:27:00,340 --> 00:26:56,320 then that becomes a specious explanation 609 00:27:04,380 --> 00:27:00,350 so the idea of resonant bonding of 610 00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,390 course makes that a far more 611 00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:07,520 non-local healing and far more possible 612 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:10,880 because all you have to do really is set 613 00:27:16,690 --> 00:27:13,610 up some kind of resonance between 614 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:16,700 yourself and whatever is out there 615 00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:19,130 without necessarily any energy 616 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:22,190 transmission although energy may be 617 00:27:31,210 --> 00:27:25,310 involved at the source and at the end 618 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:31,220 but all that has to be specified and to 619 00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:33,890 call it energy healing I think sets up a 620 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:36,710 set up of bias and an expectation in 621 00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:40,130 those who are doing research because 622 00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:43,280 once you get on that track it's hard to 623 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:46,070 get off it I think we're far better off 624 00:27:54,790 --> 00:27:48,530 just saying we don't know what goes on 625 00:27:57,070 --> 00:27:54,800 here and also along that line is and I 626 00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:57,080 think that you're getting to this you're 627 00:28:02,440 --> 00:27:59,450 alluded about to the question of the 628 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:02,450 brain and you're wondering whether there 629 00:28:08,049 --> 00:28:05,690 is a an autonomic spontaneous 630 00:28:10,139 --> 00:28:08,059 kind of thing which is involved here and 631 00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:10,149 I think that that's a very worthwhile 632 00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:15,350 Avenue to pursue that my personal 633 00:28:20,409 --> 00:28:18,110 experience is that well the brain is 634 00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:20,419 there it is an epiphenomenon when it 635 00:28:25,299 --> 00:28:21,529 comes to healing 636 00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:25,309 I don't think need really plays a role 637 00:28:32,499 --> 00:28:29,120 here this is an anthropomorphizing of 638 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:32,509 the issue there is some other function 639 00:28:36,610 --> 00:28:34,490 though which does take place and we 640 00:28:39,850 --> 00:28:36,620 don't know what it is and it comes from 641 00:28:43,629 --> 00:28:39,860 a very deep level and here I like to in 642 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:43,639 my own thinking I like to invoke the 643 00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,769 John Donne m5 hypothesis which does you 644 00:28:55,060 --> 00:28:51,440 know take account of the role of the 645 00:28:59,139 --> 00:28:55,070 unconscious mind and in tangible 646 00:29:01,330 --> 00:28:59,149 physical reality we don't know what the 647 00:29:03,369 --> 00:29:01,340 role what is taking place an intangible 648 00:29:08,049 --> 00:29:03,379 physical reality when we're doing 649 00:29:10,509 --> 00:29:08,059 healing but presumably something that's 650 00:29:15,009 --> 00:29:10,519 really all I want to say about it I see 651 00:29:18,970 --> 00:29:15,019 what you're doing as attempting to break 652 00:29:21,399 --> 00:29:18,980 through a bias which came with your 653 00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:21,409 education all of our education we're all 654 00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:23,480 educate all of Italy everybody here is 655 00:29:28,539 --> 00:29:25,960 educated in the reductionistic 656 00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:28,549 materialistic mechanistic point of view 657 00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,070 and we scramble to get out of it to 658 00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:33,440 attempt to understand these strange 659 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:36,200 phenomena and I think that with all that 660 00:29:40,269 --> 00:29:38,210 you're doing that this is one of the 661 00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,279 major things that you're doing and I 662 00:29:45,159 --> 00:29:42,559 congratulate you on doing it and keeping 663 00:29:46,869 --> 00:29:45,169 yourself so open to all these various 664 00:29:49,180 --> 00:29:46,879 hypotheses thank you 665 00:29:51,249 --> 00:29:49,190 I'd agree with you on energy healing 666 00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:51,259 that the the conventional idea of energy 667 00:29:56,860 --> 00:29:54,710 of course would imply that the 668 00:29:58,539 --> 00:29:56,870 information or the signal or the effects 669 00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,549 should diminish with distance and in my 670 00:30:03,369 --> 00:30:00,559 experiments it does not I've replicated 671 00:30:06,610 --> 00:30:03,379 this two feet in two thousand miles I 672 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:06,620 get the same results I and I would 673 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:08,090 disagree a little bit about the role of 674 00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:11,080 intent and I questioned very very much 675 00:30:16,299 --> 00:30:13,580 this is the basis of this talk 676 00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:16,309 where does intent fit in all this what 677 00:30:19,210 --> 00:30:17,869 do you want to do boss keep going or 678 00:30:24,970 --> 00:30:19,220 you're 679 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:24,980 boss let's go there's a lot of let's go 680 00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:27,730 two more questions okay 681 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:30,830 your comment on the control group issue 682 00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:32,450 and in fact that the control groups 683 00:30:37,419 --> 00:30:36,080 became part of the system brings to mind 684 00:30:40,029 --> 00:30:37,429 what happened in the early days of 685 00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:40,039 remove Ewing research at SR I we 686 00:30:43,180 --> 00:30:41,240 couldn't really find a control group 687 00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,190 because anybody it was designated as 688 00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:44,960 controlled eventually could do just as 689 00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:45,230 well 690 00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:48,409 yeah but the issues I saw there were it 691 00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,900 was the entire environment now what 692 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:52,640 would happen if you were not even close 693 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:54,890 to the experimental situation it turned 694 00:31:01,539 --> 00:30:58,210 it over to your subordinates if you will 695 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:01,549 and let them move ahead with the 696 00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:03,530 protocols that you have you think you're 697 00:31:08,890 --> 00:31:06,740 getting his own I my answer to almost 698 00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:08,900 all questions is very simple I I don't 699 00:31:13,149 --> 00:31:11,270 know they but it's absolutely worth 700 00:31:16,029 --> 00:31:13,159 testing I've actually spoken to a number 701 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,039 of people here at this meeting who are 702 00:31:22,779 --> 00:31:18,799 intending on replicating it and I would 703 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:22,789 like to go down many generations to see 704 00:31:31,810 --> 00:31:28,850 if if this occurs with reliability two 705 00:31:34,510 --> 00:31:31,820 quick ones that resonant entanglement 706 00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,520 are bonding seems to undercut the 707 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:36,559 control aspect of the experiment yeah 708 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:37,970 how do you deal with it and that's a 709 00:31:42,909 --> 00:31:40,130 very significant price yeah and that's 710 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:42,919 the reason I have difficulty trying to 711 00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,490 place this how to interpret it it's one 712 00:31:51,970 --> 00:31:48,799 of the reasons that I've had to actually 713 00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,980 publish a paper retracting a claim I've 714 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:53,840 made ten years earlier that healing 715 00:31:58,899 --> 00:31:56,450 could be taught I did I hadn't thought 716 00:32:00,700 --> 00:31:58,909 it through but fundamentally how does it 717 00:32:01,149 --> 00:32:00,710 reflect the fact that healing happens at 718 00:32:03,549 --> 00:32:01,159 all maybe 719 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:03,559 oh that healing happens my control I 720 00:32:07,810 --> 00:32:05,210 mean it's a that's the perfect question 721 00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:07,820 under normal circumstances if there was 722 00:32:14,020 --> 00:32:10,070 a possibility of different outcomes I 723 00:32:16,210 --> 00:32:14,030 would be more confused but I know give 724 00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:16,220 it my control is not the control in 725 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:18,230 these experiments where I'm taking and 726 00:32:25,149 --> 00:32:21,650 randomly separating mice my control 727 00:32:28,510 --> 00:32:25,159 really becomes a quasi control of 10,000 728 00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:28,520 previously conducted experiments and so 729 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:32,380 I know what should happen when you have 730 00:32:36,810 --> 00:32:34,570 all of them getting better in knowing 731 00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:36,820 what should happen that's where I say 732 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:39,280 and I have a paper at you we have the 733 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:40,930 possibility if there is this kind of 734 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:44,650 bonding of and I type two errors where 735 00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:46,930 you think nothing happened the only 736 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:47,980 reason I can say with certainty 737 00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:49,450 something happen is because there are 738 00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:51,070 10,000 experiments that say these mice 739 00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:53,020 should be dead and I've done this in in 740 00:32:59,280 --> 00:32:56,380 now six different labs med schools by 741 00:33:01,260 --> 00:32:59,290 people and labs this is their day job so 742 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:01,270 they they've never had this 743 00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:04,090 and so I'm reasonably certain last quick 744 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:05,710 one what how does the brain know what's 745 00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:06,370 in the envelope 746 00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:08,590 your thoughts how does brain know how 747 00:33:11,670 --> 00:33:09,790 does your brain know what's in the end 748 00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:11,680 oh I can answer with the same certainty